The Web Bot Project and 2012
Maybe some of you have heard of The Web Bot Project, but for those of you who have not, it's quite intriguing.
The Web Bot Project, developed in the late 1990's, was created to assist in making stock market predictions.
The technology uses a system of spiders to crawl the Internet and search for keywords, much like a search engine does. When a keyword is located, the bot program takes a snapshot of the text preceding and following the keyword. This snapshot of text is sent to a central location where it is then filtered to define meaning.
The projects concept is aimed at tapping into the "collective unconscious" of the universe and it's inhabitants. As well, there is an interesting time concept involved and an unusual concept of a "tipping point" regarding the past, current, and future times. It goes a bit deeper than viewing what those of us on the Internet are saying.
But in 2001, bot operators began to notice that stock market predictions were not the only matters being accurately predicted by the program. They began to take notice of coincidence with occurrences and explored it further.
One of the first accurate predictions from the bot program took place in June of 2001. The program predicted that a life altering event would take place within the next 60-90 days. An occurrence of such proportion that it's effects would be felt worldwide. The program based it's prediction on "web chatter" which ultimately represents the collective unconscious of society.
Regrettably, the bot program's prediction proved accurate and the Twin Towers fell on 9/11/2001.
Here's where it starts to become very interesting. The bot program also predicts a worldwide calamity taking place in the year 2012. For those of you who study astrology, prophecies, and the like, you may already be familiar with this date.
The Mayans were considered by many as great "seers" and built a society that focused it's studies on time, synchronicity, and consciousness. The Mayan calendar predicts that mankind will end in the year 2012. A period which also signifies the end of the current era in the Mayan calendar. But this end may represent a symbolic end - more so than a literal end. An end that refers to a shift in consciousness, such as a societal shift into a spiritual age from a scientific one.
Many have derived similar predictions from the I Ching or China's "Book of Changes." The I Ching was written in 2800 B.C. and is revered to this day in China. A gentlemen by the name of Terrence McKenna studied the I Ching intensely and began to see a pattern emerging. From that pattern he produced a time line graph and called it the "Time Wave Zero" theory.
Terrence's time line derived from the I Ching ended in the year 2012 - December 21, 2012 to be exact. The winter solstice.
Even more intriguing is the fact that many suggest that there is scientific evidence that points to a very rare astrological occurrence taking place the year of 2012. For millenia, the Mayans believed in the existence of a dark rift in the center of the Milky Way and considered it fact. Only recently did modern scientists discover that it actually does exist.
Many exist, however, in the center of our galaxy is a black hole. And in the year 2012, it is suggested that the sun and the earth will be in direct alignment with this black hole. Scientist speculate that magnetic shifts could take place as a result. In essence, it is theorized that the poles could reverse. The poles have shifted before and Einstein, himself, had suggested this pole shifting theory in 1955.
And I'm sure many of you have heard of Merlin the magician. Merlin was believed to be a Celtic shaman that many of his day considered a "crazed man of the forest." As a result, during those times he was referred to as "Merlin the Wild." But what many don't realize is that Merlin was considered Europe's greatest oracle or "seer."
Merlin predicted that the planets will "run riot" through the constellations. Completely off their normal paths of rotation. Scientists speculate that if this were to happen, it would be a result of the earth changing it's rotation - or the poles shifting.
Merlin also predicted that the use of "talking stones" would be taking place during this time. For those of you who don't know, stone is the basis of our modern technology. Quartz in particular. Quartz technology is used in cell phones as well as computers. Silicone quartz stores information that can then be retrieved.
Another interesting side note to this, that I will be discussing in an upcoming post, is the use of quartz by the Mayans. The Mayans coveted what were known as the crystal skulls. Skulls carved from natural quartz crystal. They claimed the skulls "talked" to them and gave them information. Could it be that they actually did? Based on our knowledge of the capabilities of quartz crystal and it's uses for technology - it seems quite possible. Hewlett Packard studied the skulls in 1970 and their results were startling.
The oldest tribe in the United States, the Hopi Indian tribe, believed that the world has been created and destroyed four times previously. The Hopi's believe that we are on the brink of the Fifth World. They predicted that this occurrence would be preceded by submersion (rising waters), the sun getting hotter (global warming), and earth occurrences (hurricane's, tornadoes, and mass flooding).
The Hopi's also predicted that the world at this time would be criss-crossed by a spider web, which could be likened to the Internet. They believed that the end of the Fourth World would be followed by the beginning of the Fifth World. The evolution of life requires violence.
Seems that these beliefs are in line with the predictions made from one of the greatest book of prophecies ever written - the Bible. And the Book of Revelations, in particular.
The History Channel created a special that touches on this very subject titled: Doomsday 2012, The End of Days. It further explores the significance of this date in ancient prophecies, texts, and writings.
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129 comments:
Interesting read. Time will tell if these prophecies are to come true.
I have found your posts on this particular subject very intriquing and informative. I'll be watching to see what happens regarding future events!
nice post. i've done some research myself and this topic is very interesting.
i'm still a skeptic though. how could a web bot that's designed to predict stock market activity be able to predict anything not directly related to the stock market? sounds crazy but i guess crazier things have happened..
CoasttoCoastam.com aired a program tonight on 7/4/07 that interviews the Web Bot guys. Check out/download the show - the "how" is explained in technical detail. Very intriguing!
I'd like to first disclaim any credibility in my opinions, and ultimately, my belief in any of this whatsoever. I'm only making intuitive assertions based on the information I have (and in some cases, personal opinions.)
I watched the program myself. It was fascinating; though, I'd like to make mention, and this has been annoying the hell out of me, that nowhere does the calendar "predict" the fact that mankind will end in 2012. We as people have placed that interpretation upon it without any evidence whatsoever except for our conditioning to believe in an ultimate end. Perhaps the Mayans themselves placed that interpretation on it...
The bigger picture as I see it, beyond all catastrophic events, is this: If the polar shift theory is true, and such an event is to occur in 2012, then the Mayan calendar in all of its precision would no longer apply after 2012 (the calendar is based off of planetary cycles, and from that new frame of reference, those cycles would change rendering the calendar useless!) It would effectively be FORCED to end, am I wrong? To make a new calendar with similar precision would require a hundreds of years of observation from that new frame of reference... I'd venture to say that if the polar shift theory is true, then we've solved the mystery of the calendar's end. There's nothing supernatural about any of it.
If anything will be worse than mass destruction brought about by natural phenomenon, it will be the aftermath. Maybe I'm just cynical, but I foresee people retreating to their religions and mobilizing against the "heathens" who allegedly brought about this destruction by angering their god, effectively bringing about an Armageddon scenario: the popular yet profoundly stupid "final battle between good and evil" theory.
In the end, though impractical, my theory is that if we were all able to abandon our superstitions and see the bigger picture, our knowledge and achievements as man would live to see this "new age."
I Believe In Jesus Christ so when 2012 comes along just pray and hopefully we'll get through this!
Im not really sure about all of this.
I kinda believe it and i kinda think its all fake. Our minds are very powerful things. Mabey we have just been believing all of this for so long that our minds are taking our bodys over and making us believe so strongly that the world is going to end in 2012. Group Hysteria, its very true.
Ok, so i watched the documentary on the History Channel last night and that was pretty nice... i guess we'll have to wait and see what happens...
and in response the post by "anonymous":
I'm not a very superstitious person myself, but there are scientific theories on the quantum level that explain these "hokey-pokey", metaphysical occurrences.
however, there are many unanswered questions about quantum physics, but the metaphysical aspect of this topic and any other topic could still have scientific valdity...
"Effectively bringing about an Armageddon scenario: the popular yet profoundly stupid "final battle between good and evil" theory". As A Christian I am so tired of these "know it alls" who think they are smarter than God. Revelations says that there will be a battle of Armageddon. If you don't believe God's word then you probably have not studied the Bible. King David predicted the coming of Christ hundreds of years before it happened, and no it was not a close guess or a coincidence because King David goes as far as to mention the casting of lots over Christ's clothes, the crown of thorns, nails in the hands. All of which were recorded as what actually happened when Christ died for us on the cross hundreds of years later. And that is just one of several detailed prophecys in the Bible. The good news is that Christ did not stay dead. He is risen and alive and all who put their trust in Him do not have to worry about any type of doomsday scenario.
the guy who posted july 5th at 9:44 brings up a great new perspecitve, one that i had not previously been exposed to. could the end of the mayan calander in 2012 be based upon the fact that their brilliant system of time would not work following the pole shift? not the end of the world, just the end of their calander. excellent point
Anonymous: I read your article, it is interesting. One thing you might of overlooked for the 2012 prediction is the fact that a large asteroid will pass between the earth and the moon Friday 13, 2012. Close enough to see it with the naked eye. If the asteroid comes too close and a window of exceptional gravitational pull in the earth will hook the asteroid and change its path to return 2033 game over.See the info at the Naval Observitory.
when you see the post, "It ends now..." It will be time.
The end of the world...im doing a research paper on it..Of course it will happen one day..but what if the bibles predictions are true..read revilations...scarry...i only wonder if we are ready?...
... Im kind of skeptical about all this, but it is very interesting, too bad I missed it on TV, I was hoping to catch it again, but.. Anyways, this is very interesting, but i don't know... it all just seems a bit too weird for me, this web bot is the harder thing to believe, but both the mayan thing is too... Maybe Im I just don't want to believe it, but I'll just live life and see if everyone was right when 2012 comes. ^ ^
It ends now...
No.No it does not.
The questions seems to be..If you believe it, what does it mean to U? What are we meant to be doing? If OUR physical ends in 2012 how are we meant to be preparing for it? Surely,it's sumthing spiritual...I'm certain we'll survive in some form. All I know is I don't want to be born again in the world as it is. I feel there's alot of people who believe they will be saved by Jesus alone, I beleive they should be asking whether they need to be active in their progression to enlightenment. I myself, believe OUR enlightenment will happen together...for all mankind & not just those whom subscribe to Jesus. GOD is much bigger than that!! Smallmindedness wil hold us all back. I'm optimistic & I dont fear what's coming. I just hope that people have enough love & care to seek the truth,the challenge & the strength to witness the awful events we'll witness in our lifetimes.
I found the HC doc riveting but...
Merlin & Mother Shipton are legends and likely not real. The Oracle at Delphi and Sybiline prophecies are vague and open to many interpretations. The I Ching is the father/mother of fortune cookie slips. I'm a Christian but I look at the bible as one of the greatest works of fiction in history. I'll go with Einstein on the polar shift and with the previous posts suggesting that would explain the end of the Mayan calendar. Changes coming? Perhaps. The end of the world? I'm a skeptic.
You know through out the ages man has always been predecting the end of the world.counless genarations have live and died in fear waiting for the end..i think its time we start to focus of the development of mandkind..the universe is vast and the knowledge held within it is beyond our current ability to understand.i belive that 2012 will pass just like any other dooms. let us all focus on becoming a collective consiousness that will expand our knowledge and understanding of this planet that we live on and in extention the universe that we exist in. Than continue to predict our demise..NB there are so many world changing events that happened in the past that many persons failed to predict.
just to add a few things to the 2012 prophecies and predictions. the mayans never said the world would actually end in 2012 but rather it would be a great time of change, that would in turn lead mankind into a Golden Age. yes there will be great disasters, whether it be from the sky, the polar shift change, or from mankinds inability to live in harmony with one another. but after these things, mankind will reach an era of true peace. if ur familiar with the book of revelation in the Bible, then u know that it too talks about these times when there will be great distruction and such forth, that will ultimately lead to the return of Christ. alot of people think that once Christ returns this time that the world will end, but that is not so. the bible says that Christ will come back and at that time he will cast satan down to the bottomless pit for a thousand years. and during that 1000 years there will be total peace and harmony on earth, kinda like the Goldan Age that the mayans speak of. and then after the 1000 years of peace on earth the devil will be released from the bottomless pit to decieve the world one last time. and at that time he'll gather his army and rise up against God, and then God WILL defeat him. and that is when God wipes away the old earth and creates a new heaven and a new earth. so there u go, 2012 will not bring an end to earth. it will be the beginning stage of a transformation that must begin to cleanse the earth of evil and wickidness. once the earth cleanses itself, alot of people will die, but ultimately those who are left will prosper and will be blessed by God, for they will get to see a new age for mankind, an age that will see and do great things. an age where wars are a thing of the past. where the knowlegde of the universe will be given to us, for it will be a time that we can handle the knowledge without the fear of destroying ourselves with it. an age that will go on for another 1000 years, giving the world at least until 3012 before its actually finally destoyed. so don't worry, but rejoice, for we live in a time where we will see great things. i just hope and pray that whoever reads these words has salvation through God, for unless u come through Christ Jesus, u will not see the great days of the Goldan age. my name is dennis, i am 24 years old, and i hope that my words have somewhat enlighted u.
dennis, thank you for your last post. im 16 years i just came upon december 21 2012 some how an hour ago so i started reading about it on different sites. i must say i was pretty darned scared. i think now that what happens happens, and we should all just try to make the best of our lives, and have faith in ourself and god. i just hope i have a survival kit on 12-21-2012, okay maybe not, but only god knows what will happen!
Such garbage, we use and create web bots.
This is like saying they can wash your car, just nonsense.
All they can do is search what someone else has already wrote.
embarrassing trash, to have history channel includ this is an example of their slipping professional standareds.
Gerald
I saw the special on the history channel this afternoon, and I must say that I think that this entire mindset is more than a little pretentious.
For the practicing Christians in this forum, I will quote scripture:
"Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not expect him." Matt. 25: 44.
Consider the implications of this scripture: are those of you who are claiming that the world will end in 2012 NOT expecting it? I think, my friends, that you are. One cannot truly know when this time will come, and to say that you DO know for various reasons is to commit the deadly sin of pride. Ponder this contention.
This one scripture alone should say it all for those of you that are trying to be mindful of a possible Armageddon.
Now let us turn to other matters. I think it just as likely that aliens will rain down from the heavens as I do that "the world is going to come to an end."
These are matters of great import, after all, but from reading on official astronomy websites, the astronomers who have been in these mountain observatories for several years are claiming that we are only a few degrees from the center of the Milky Way than we will be in 2012. These pole shifts are eventual changes, according to CREDIBLE scientists. So let's drop this entire catastrophic mindset--it's both ridiculous and unhealthy.
Moreover, I've got something for all of you that I think is worth saying. Armageddon often comes on a personal level, when someone dies, or even when a religious movement dies out. You've much more to worry about in the hands of the overzealous individuals that practically worship the idea of the Apocalypse.
You know what? I'm not worried as much about these vague scientific theories as I am about the people that will spell a worldwide panic in the name of a possible end of days. Things are likely to be fine if we "leave well enough alone."
I just watched the 2012 documentary on the history channel tonight. I first heard about the Mayan calendar about seven years ago, right after Y2K failed to amount to anything, so I was pretty sure that as 2012 approached, more and more people would become interested, but, hopefully not fearful.
I was trying to find some information about this web bot program that was brought up in the show. How does it work? Is it just a spider, grabbing catch phrases from websites?
If that is all that it is, then I would have to wonder at any credibility this program may even potentiall have. After all, how many websites are actually picked up by these programs? The websites that are shown, I assume, are news sources. And what is our modern day news source - TV and their websites - used for? A product to spread fear. The "news" that gets reported is ghastly, horrible stuff. Rarely do you find anything good happen - maybe on a slow news day, your local news does a fluff piece on the kitty who rescued her kittens from a burning building.. No. News today spreads doom and gloom. If it bleeds, it leads, so they say. I think that the "phrases" that any program can pick up from these websites can not accuratly be a measurement of current human conciousness - much less a prediction of the future. When what is on the internet is fairly skewed/offers a limited perception of the world.
Could it not just be that this web bot is picking up LOADS of references to 2012 and thats why its coming up with this prediction as they're all talking about the same thing?
I found that documentary a bit stupid - and intentionally wrong. The worst was the story about Mother Shipton. They've read a poem that and told it would have been from her or the writer from the 17th century. It talked in cloudy words about cars and planes. Well, not only was this poem written in the 19th century - they also didn't read the last line of it - which said that the world will end in 1881. This makes all the other stuff kinda void for me, since they probably lie more than once.
Well and then to the date: The only time it comes up is from the Mayans - but they dont say the world ends, it's just that the cycle of their calender ends. That could mean anything - in the least sensational case the start of a new one :)
Most of the other stuff - like the bible, the Native Americans, Mother Shipton, Merlin and so on, did not have any reference to 2012 (even if they made it sound like it). The bible itself was often interpeted to hint the end in 1999 (666 rotated) but that didn't happen :) So all these stories are about the end of the world - but not really realated to the topic of the show.
Then there is the webbot - which is straight away stupid. It looks for "end of world" in the internet - and guess what it will find?
The only thing I know nothing about is that I-Ching thingy, which they say also adds up to 2012 if you do some complicated mathematical games ... but well, with the right formula you can bend this to any date you want.
Well, bad luck for us then - no end in sight :)
this event has me scared out of my mind and is now effecting my life mentally, emotionally and finacially! I also have 2 children and 1 on the way. I am worried I will not be with them on the week of Dec. 12 2012. I am now making arrangement to have them with me on this date as well as my close friends and family. This seems VERY real the more time moves on.
I am suprised no one has discussed the concept of a second sun star, which even S. Hawkins has suggested my cause a catasrophic shift in polarity, spin, or position at some future point in time.
I just watched the reprodcast on the history channel.One has to be intrigued, but also keep a grip on reality for 12/21/2012.I remember reading the predictions of Nostradomus and his claim that the world would end in 3797 through collision with a cosmic entity.I think this is healthier, since it is 1800 years in our future rather than 5.Hopefully, like the others have commented,this date will signify a possible polar shift with the only "end" being to the calander.
PHP Encoder got it right in August - there is so much 12.21.02 content on the web now, it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy detected by a web-bot that searches for information on - that's right: 12.21.02!!!
It is not the end! It is a new beginning, a harmonic convergence, a higher conscience, a new wonderful world. Do not fear and be ready for a new way of life.
interesting, But what I want to know is. Will the end come at eastern standard time or central time or mountain time or pacific time. I want to be one of the last ones here on earth. who's going first?
Soooby Doo pow wow wow!
afte seeing the documentry and reading all these comments ,ppl come on its all entertainment,i dont beleive any of it ,the world ends for somebody everyday, so get your heads out of ur asses or emailme for a reality check ......... smotppoker22@yahoo.com
I love predictions that prove true and are validated only through hind sight there by lending sketchy credibility to other crack pot predictions.
Chris,
I love skeptics like you - who claim to have no belief in these matters - yet spend your time coming onto sites like this and reading up on the matter - and then hiding your profile for us to see.
WATCHING THIS ON MONTEL 11/2/07
VERY INTERESTING(especially with all the recalls this yr more then ever toys...food etc makes ya worried & wondering!!
suzy
Im the year 1582 most of the world changed from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar, a grave error was made by 6 years. So in reality this is the year 2013. Hey we made it. orrrrrrrr do we have to wait till the year 2018? What catastrophic events are predicted for that year?
I honestly find all of it humorous. All religions, prophecies, thoughts or ideals and calculations aside. Wether it's the end or isn't the end, everyone is worrying about something that is out of our hands, seriously, what, if anything, can we do about it if 2012 is the end?
What is more interesting is you have well known seers, prophets, etc that say 2012 is the date. The most well known among them, Nostradamus is now being said to have seen it end on this date. I remember, which I can't remember what the show was called, maybe someone else remembers the name of it, another TV show based on his Quatrains where he had apparently said a date in the late 90's, so this is suddenly wrong? Or has someone reworded things to make things convient for a time that has yet to come?
I do believe there is a time coming that will be a great change for mankind, for earth... but it'll be just that, great meaning good.. Spirtually, mentally, and physically.
Whether or not something "bad" must happen in order for the good to happen, is irrelveant and beyond any ones control. Live for today, not yesterday, and be prepared fo the future. That's all any one can do to the best of their ability.
Well, if I were God, and I built all this stuff, I would not let it get wrecked. Maybe all this is not going to happen, it's all a test of our faith. If your not religous, well, we create our own reality by they way we think and project ourselves and self worth. So if the earthlings think positive, or negative, things will happen in that way. Not to forget, American culture is based on fear, so it get's sold by corporations. No even know's if any of those people or predictions ever really existed. Either way, who cares, we all die sometime and so we might as well have fun, live one day at a time, and be excellent to each other.
I just recently watched the program myself and im Athiest so i find it hard to belive in anyone being able to predic when the world will come to an end..i mean the flooding was predicted but that was cause of mankind, so if there will be a doomsday it will be becuz of mankind not some cosmic god or theory. just my thoughts the world was predicted to have doomsday many times be4 and when it came round noting happen'd only time can tell if the mayan and web bot program are correct ofcorse we belive only what we want too...logic is key!
I have spent the last 3 hours trying to find information on the "Web Bot Project", and the only thing I can find is a web site that sells a report that is described as follows:
Be advised that your subscription is taken as proof that you have read our warnings, and that you are explicitly agreeing to hold us harmless for anything that may ever happen to you which may or may not arise from reading the ALTA reports. Further, your subscription is an acknowledgement that you are desperate for bizarre entertainment and are purchasing this subscription to satisfy that urge.
http://www.halfpasthuman.com/HPHFH.htm
Where can we get FACTUAL information about the "Web Bot Project"
ira said...
this prediction is true because this universe and our bodies were created by the summation of our imperfect minds and is meant to self destruct and be recreated again by us. Our minds did this to know and try what it is like to live outside of GOD. This creation and destruction will be a vicious cycle unless we learn to be like Christ and be one with God. Only FORGIVENESS and LOVE, knowing that this universe is an illusion created by our sick mind, will end this cycle for it is only God that is real. GOD IS... and nothing else is.
ira said...
this prediction is true because this universe and our bodies were created by the summation of our imperfect minds and is meant to self destruct and be recreated again by us. Our minds did this to know and try what it is like to live outside of GOD. This creation and destruction will be a vicious cycle unless we learn to be like Christ and be one with God. Only FORGIVENESS and LOVE, knowing that this universe is an illusion created by our sick mind, will end this cycle for it is only God that is real. GOD IS... and nothing else is.
If you had a more advanced knowledge the poles, then you would then that swap every 50,000-100,000 years(I think). However, supposedly we are overdue for this to happen.
check out the trailer for a new documentary on 2012 including Patrick Geryl, Gregg Braden, John Major Jenkins, David Icke, Annabel Burton, Adrian Gilbert, peter Taylor looks cool.!!
in my opinion i truly believe something is going to happen in the year 2012... but realy matters is can we predict what is realy going to happen..? lets take the 11/9 disaster, there was a number of predictions of the event all around the world with by well known people like nostradamus but no one were able to predict the disaster or stop it from happening. ..in my own personal opinion, whatever happening in this world is the act of god whether it is creation or destruction, bad or good because if he is the one who created us then he is our destiny.. just believe in him and his teaching and treat every human on this planet with same level of respect , i believe everything that happens will be understood by man. thus harmony divineness will fill the earth. remember god is in the heart of each and everyone of us the matter whether we want him or not???
Though the Mayan calender will not work after 2012, its is still astonishing that they were able to predict that the sun ,the dark rift
(the dark rift has recently been discovered as a huge black hole located at the center of the galaxy) in the center of the milky way, and earth would all align on 12/21/2012.
We now know that that alignment could directly cause a shift in our poles. The pole shift could have a dramatic effect on the earths environment.It could have an effect on how many of us live our lives and ,in essence, could "end" the world as we know, the "end" of time as it is now.
It is clear that in the past few years humanity has begun to move in the direction of a higher consciousness. NGO's, foundations and enlightened individuals that seek to work for a common good have been gaining momentum with the help of the web and the new (and wonderful) era of communication that can no longer be controlled by special and powerful interests. Those who can relate to this new consciousness and understand the need for radical change essential to the survival of our species, will welcome with joy the transformations that will come about in the next few years. Those who continue clinging to old materialistic values will experience great suffering, but in the end they too will ascend. And all who have already tapped into a higher wisdom are grateful to be living in such an interesting time witnessing collective enlightenment. Namasté.
ok no matter what anybody else thinks on this matter. I do believe that even if it doesn't happen it's better to be prepared for any of these possibilities than to not be. or as I like to say, "luck favors the prepared mind."
I've also been doing a fair amount of research on all of the "supposed" end of the world theories and predictions. As I do already believe in a simplistic version of the "collective conciousness" theories, I believe we have already become a collective conciousness without even realizing it.
I mean consider the truths of Yamantau mountain, and the norwegian doomsday vault. The entire world is preparing for the possible eventuality of the end, and why shouldn't they. I mean that if we're all even slighlty prepared for this possible eventuality won't there be less casualties or shock when it does arrive...
I haven't seen the documentary, only read on the subject through the internet and such sites like this.
After reading all of the previous posts it became very difficult to place myself in a belief or non-belief place. Most importantly, any theory based on a direct date such as this one (12/21/2012) can not, and should not be regarded as true. As mentioned earlier, calendars have been changed throughout the passage of time up until the present. (This also touches on another point; "time as WE know it". I will get to this later.) It can absolutely not be proven that the current calendar of time we live in is indeed accurate. When the mayan calendar was made, they based their predictions on the calendar they lived with, not the one currenty used. Now, I'm not educated on these subjects nearly enough, but at 15 years of age I can say I have hightened logic.
"Time as WE know it"... time is often regarded as the 4th dimension, invisible to the naked eye; something between us and objects around us from one point - to another. I'm not sure how long exactly, but post-Mayan times, time was viewed through numbers and dates. This is time as we know it to be, not how it actually is. The true meaning of time should not be thought of as numbers and dates, but as a long string through which our lives start, end, and perhaps are reborn.
At 15, I can not firmly believe in the Christian religion my family was brought up to believe in, for I was never baptised or forced to go to church. I do plan on reading the Book of Revelations in the Bible however. I, and I'm sure many others believe in the creation of Earth and the universe (however it was infact created) to be entirely scientifical, and not through a cosmic entity such as God. My beliefs may change however, and weather or not the day comes where God and Jesus are indeed the passage to the "Golden Age" I will most likely not be alive to be a part of it.
I recommend that no one be afraid of any Apocolyptic type theories or predictions and truly view them on a deeper level than just "Oh no, I'm gonna die." However anything happens in this world, weather it be good or bad, consider it part of your undetermined path in life - which in the end, creates what you can choose to believe as your personal meaning in life.
I won't get in to planet X or the web bot just yet. Anyways, Merry Christmas every one.
All I know is that I'm not gonna bother paying down my mortgage or credit cards until 2013!!
My thing is, if everyones already up in arms about the mayan calendar and the end of the world in 2012, then whats so significant about the bot hitting on that?
Wow.. This really makes you think, because in 2000 all tech. was supposed to crash.. and well, it didn't. Like honestly, if the world was going to end in 4 years wouldn't they let people know at least? I can see why not cause it could cause a global scare. but i dont know weather or not to take all this seriously.
The mayan calander for example. It can't go on forever, maybe it ends at 2012 because thats as far as they got with their 'predictions'. This whole topic is pretty out there, most people think im crazy when i bring it up.. But i dont know, Its pretty screwed up.
I really dont know about this 2012. It may be in the bible about armageddon, but it does not give a time. Every prediction I have heard of like The Y2K totally didnt happen. So why do we think this is?
Very interesting. I have been keeping up w/ this type of subject for some time now. I do plan to spend a bit more of my time and focus on this now that we are in the year 2008. I am thankful for this website and a few others I have found here recently. We can all develop our own opinion and that should always be the case. Most folks seem to be very content watching their BIG SCREEN TV's w/ LED and PLASMA. At least they are able to relax.
I had been aware of this 2012 date as far back 1980...saw it in some movie, I believe. I do think something will occur. For a very long time now, and not infrequently the number 12;22 has been appearing in my life. The total at the grocery check-out, the amount of change returned, the time on clocks when I'm not thinking about it, etc. More and more frequently lately. Also, the number 11;11...same deal. Anybody else been having this experience? Comments or opinions. Please be nice...i'm not a looney and I know what's been happening is not just "coincidence". Thank you.
Monday night on the History Channel.... talks about Dec.12, 2012
(airing on January 21, 2008)
I have known about these events without being able to name them, as visions, since I was a teenager. I'm not sure why or how.
spiactor - YES! Yes! Clocks and 12:22 and 11:11. Myself and a friend at work both experiencing...
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let not forget about Planet X and its orbit in 2012. Look it up, this is also real and based on scientific fact.
It's possible 2012 is the year we stop using paper (fiat) currencies, and revert back to gold and silver as wealth. The prophecies do hint the Golden era will emerge....maybe this is what it's implying.
I agree with most people who say we'll have to see what happens in 2012. As far as the web bot project predicting the future and in particular how it predicted the event on 9/11/2001, it's not a surprise. Didn't the hijackers plan the attack for a long time, and didn't these same terrorises communicate throught internet? If Web bot scans discussions found on the internet to "predict" stock prices, it will also "predict" terror plans that were communicated. These are not mysterious predictions, they are just an analysis of business discussions, some of which are the business of violence and aggression.
My name is Loki, believe me 2012 won't destroy us all. But many will kill each other. The worlds technologies will cease to exist. Nukes will launch but not all will die from it . EM blast from sun will switch the worlds poles, which will cause serious enviormental bounce backs, such as giant hurricanes, wickedly mutated animals, and worse the same for insects. The reason for this is that we are reaching the other side of our galaxy which will have a different magnetic pole than the side we are on. We have not prepared for this and no one will listen to anyone who believes this. WE are fools to our protectors, and any thought that they aren't in control or thoughts that say major changes are needed to keep on surviving in a advanced world are dargerous to their confidence, and like children they wil throw their fits. Our ignorance is truly what will be the destruction of our fourth world. Sad but true.
MOG, I just discovered something horrifying! The world MUST end on December 31, 2008!!! I just got a new calender down at the mall, and when I looked in it, the very last day is 12-31-08!
Oh...wait...The calender has to end somewhere. The Mayans calender had to have a end too. Not an end as in end of the world or anything, but the the calender couldn't just continue on indefinitely...no more than the calender I bought at the mall could just keep on going......
Eric said....
How about this.. the myans said that the quartz "talked to them" Maybe since we use quartz now to in cell phones the information being transmitted through the quartz is being relayed through it and is disregarding time and what they heard was us now or in 2012 and they have actually heard what really is happening or is going to happen.
Time is really just an illusion humans or God have created for us to make sense of the world we are aware of. We dont think time travel is possible because we can only grasp beggining and ending but time doesnt really exist . everything just is.. so our voices being transmitted through the quartz is entirely pluasible.. maybe .. something to think about.
OK, so if "God" says no one will know the time of the second coming, if we all guess the time at a different minute, second, day, etc, it will never arrive. There are always Christians and other religious folk, non-religious types, well, "people" guessing the end time. By that definition, the end will never come. Someone is always expecting it. Another biblical myth busted. I agree that the bible is one of the greatest books of fiction ever written.
First off.. To all you who question the Mayan calender and why it ends on 2012. Its because the Mayans calculate time in Baktuns (about 5,125 years). The Mayan calender is a calender of the current Baktun we are in, which ends in 2012. Then starts a new Baktun. Of course they didnt use the Gregorian calendar we use. But, using math we can figure out what date in the Gregorian calendar is the end of the Baktun. This is true with all the predictions. People have recalculated the date the prediction has given so we can understand it on a Gregorian calendar. Its not like Nostradamus said 2012. We just had to calculate what Gregorian date he was talking about. The Maya just happen to believe that the end of the Baktun is significant and that life/world changing events will happen. They believed in a life cycle. And a new cycle is to start in 2012.
This website talks a little about the Mayan calendar and how they calculated the Gregorian date of the end of the Mayan calendar:
http://www.edgarcayce.org/2012.asp
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I agree that its a bit odd that a stock predicting software would be used to hint on this. As another poster said, just cause there is a lot of web-chatter about 2012 could lead the program to deduce 2012 as a doomsday. But then again, most programmers and scientists expect this sort of web-chatter and to obtain accuracy they filter it out of the program. So, we dont know either way. On top of that, it is interesting that the web-bot program has already predicted some major events including earthquakes and 911 to name a few. samxcore said, "whats so significant about the bot hitting on that?" Its significant cause the web-bot program has already been quite accurate in predicting major events on this planet. So, no matter what the "logic" or "math" is behind the program, it has made several accurate predictions. Leading to more credit on the significance of 2012.
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I'm definitely gonna wait on paying off my mortgage in force until 2013. Just in case, why not?
Americans love reasons to procrastinate.
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If all we are seeing is predictions to a polar shift. Then I would be scared. A polar shift would be the biggest catastrophe that could happen to us, tied in rank with a VERY large asteroid, or total nuclear destruction.
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Group Hysteria can be a catastrophe in its self.. but that doesnt mean its the only catastrophe to happen soon. If a real catastrophe is going to happen then Group Hysteria is also going to happen.
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About Y2k... There wasnt supposed to be the "end of the world" for Y2k. Tabbi wrote, "2000 all tech. was supposed to crash". Thats wrong. ALL tech wasnt supposed to crash. In fact most of the technology we have/had was ready for Y2k. And, most of it was tested to be Y2k compliant. The "scare" was that there are thousands of microprocessors that run the power grid. These microprocessors were not built to be in operation today. The engineers figured we would of redesigned the power grid by now. They had no way of testing all the various microprocessors in connection with each other to see if the year 2000 would cause a malfunction in their operation. Thankfully, the power grid was basically unaffected. Then again, the power companies were working on updating their systems for the Y2k for years up to 2000. They obviously did a good job.
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There has been various doomsday dates that have seemed to pass without problems. But, none has had so many predictions from so many walks of life. And from completely different eras and cultures as this 2012.
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I gonna add to this credit of 2012. Im suprised ive not heard recently about the Egyptian pyramids. This discussion is mainly based in Christianity (tho im not Christian). In the great pyramid there is a tunnel (or hallway) that goes from the outside to the middle of the pyramid. It has been known that this hallway is actually a timeline in stone. Where December 12,2012 is the mid-point of Last SEVEN YEARS of Daniel and the point of start of the Great Tribulation.
Go see these links for some more information about the Great Pyramid of Giza and this hallway time line:
http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/GreatPyramidProphecy.html
http://www.dprins.demon.nl/convergence/9906.html
http://www.gizapyramid.com/overview.htm
Chad
You know all this 2012 discussion has been about natural phenomenon but what about other causes. the one thing i keep thinking of is the summer olympics in london. when 9/11 occurred, it took about 2 months for the US to respond. its possible that there could be a terrorist attack at the olympics that brings about another war. because of the international nature of the event, the response could be world wide. perhaps world war.
I too have been getting time things like 11:11.. 9:11 and 4:20
I think mother earth is gonna clean herself up ..
2012 why not?
The History Channel show was good, it's how I found this site. Only time will tell. The Polar shift and the alignment theoryare interesting, seeing how it only takes place every 28,000 thousand years or so, it would be interesting to look at ice core samples from the alst 300,000 to 400,000 years and see if there is any correlation evidence for the pole shift theory.
Dearest Paul from Jan 22nd. I love that show mythbusters...but anyway...you haven't busted any myth from the bible...in that statement you made you must assume that everyone "knows" the date or time that they are guessing or expecting...the keywords you used there are "if everyone guesses" they don't truly "know" by the definition of the word "know"....then everything else that you conclude in that statement is wrong....No one truly knows the day nor the hour when the son of man is coming back.. whether you believe it or not... I can stand in the middle of the road and say that I don't believe in the wind...that doesn't mean the wind won't come and blow me over...I may not be able to see God with my eyes but I see Him working in my life everyday..."Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen"
I dont know if i could believe this prediction, because Bible said in Matthew 24:36 "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father"
even the son of God does'nt know the exact date of the end of the world.
Believe it, or not!
God the Creator is Sovereign in His dealings in matters to do with His creation.
He has given us His life's manual the Bible for us for our good where only a loving God could do.
He directs mankind to accept Christ Jesus as i) Lord so that there would be blessedness all around, ii) as Saviour to save mankind from what...??? ...that only the power of God can do if we only allow Him to take over and run our lives for only He knows what is best for us.
God's word says that He knows how to save His people from destruction that is coming upon the whole world. What time is He taking about here?
Here's something to think about from the Bible:
-The apostle Peter said 'the heavens will disappear with a roar and the elements will melt in the heat'.
-Book of Revelations says 'There will be great catastrophic events worldwide cause by both man and from natural causes'.
But God made available a wayout for those who will only believe that He being a Creator God can also be a Saviour God for them too as well.
In conclusion, believe it, or not!
There is only one Spirit of Truth in this world, where all the rest are false. Ask Him to show you the Truth. As the saying goes, 'truth hurts' or blesses (whatever the case may be).
I see the face of God in everything.... people, nature, even myself. I like the wind analogy! Hopefully 2012 will bring an enlightened new beginning to the world and not winds of fire and destruction. As for busting Bible mths, you are correct. It is impossible to prove or disprove anything from the Bible. Considering all the times it has been translated, rewritten, added to and taken from, perhaps it is the greatest myth of all time.
the web-bot project is just what people made of it like if u askd someone to read a book off the street would thary thak the same about it as you did i dont thak so so why is this diffint?
iwant to know something about web bot project.if anybody knows then tell.
what type of programming is used in this technology like programming language or any thing else.
I recently watched Decoding the Truth and was intrigued by 2012. The one person that they left out, who has a pretty good track record for accuracy, is Edgar Cayce. One of his predictions is the reversal of the magnetic poles, which could be happening currently as the magnetic field appears to be weakening. (Check out Nova's page on the Magnetic Storm for more info.) If the field weakens, or flips, because of the alignment during 2012, that could be very bad as it is the peak of the solar cycle. A hotter than normal solar cycle with more intense solar flares could send some serious radiation our way. With a weakened magnetic field it could mean disaster here on Earth. This could accelerate global warming to the tipping point much sooner and cause a feedback loop which melts the polar ice caps. The rise in sea levels would change what the world looks like and the survivors would be in a new world. REM said it best, It's the end of the world as we know it...I feel fine.
Hello people of the internet. I'm trying to learn more about the physical and geological phenomena that the Earth will have due to the polar shift change described in the theory of the galactic alignment in year 2012. Will this cause natural laws of physics to reverse or something? And what was the part about human thoughts having electromagnetic impulses that form together as a type of consciousness around the Earth? I know there must be other people who have heard of the law of attraction and things of that nature, so if anyone else can add some more info about those things it would be very helpful and insightful. Thanks.
Here, here to Anonymous of July 25, 2007.
The predictions of doom and gloom are all the same. It's just the date that keeps getting moved forward.
i refuse to think that we have 4 years left on this earth.intresting yes but i would not go as far as saying that we are all goin to die.
The Mayan calendar does nnot say the world will end but it does say it will change. Several cultures around the world including christian and myan alike say tere wil be a period of peace. do not read too much into what everyone says. search your heart and you will know the answer.
Guys,
Much like everyone here. I am curious. I've watched the History channel programe and since then could not convince myself that these guys have no case.
I do also see 11:11 almost daily.
But I wanted to make this addition to your great debate:
Here is what Nasa Sais about black hole in the center of our own universe:
"Supermassive black holes
Scientists believe that most galaxies have a supermassive black hole at the center. The mass of each of those objects is thought to be between 1 million and 1 billion solar masses. Astronomers suspect that supermassive black holes formed several billion years ago from gas that accumulated in the centers of the galaxies.
There is strong evidence that a supermassive black hole lies at the center of the Milky Way. Astronomers believe this black hole is a radio-wave source known as Sagittarius A* (SgrA*). The clearest indication that SgrA* is a supermassive black hole is the rapid movement of stars around it. The fastest of these stars appears to orbit SgrA* every 15.2 years at speeds that reach about 3,100 miles (5,000 kilometers) per second. The star's motion has led astronomers to conclude that an object several million times as massive as the sun must lie inside the star's orbit. The only known object that could be that massive and fit inside the star's orbit is a black hole.
You can read the whole article here:
http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/blackhole_worldbook.html
Here is what I found on 11:11:
http://www.crystalinks.com/synchronicity.html (I am not very convinced of the credibility of this article) but interestingly enough no authorities are talking about it...
Sometime in the past someone asked a question: so what if we cross the black hole in the center of the universe what are we supposed to fear? or prepare for?
I am hoping that someone answers this question.
i saw the show on the history channel last night, in fact. i live in Karachi, Pakistan.
this is really interesting but scary and i wish that rather than a catastrophic change it would be a spiritual one in which we would all turn to our higher natures and end all the violence we witness today.
what about books like the Celestine Prophecies or Gary Zukav?
What about the second coming of the Christ. Muslims like myself believe that when Christ does return there will be peace on earth and all people will be united. Then many years hence the world again will deteriorate and doomsday will come.
so all this is pretty scary. i would be skeptical but the Mayans have predicted other cosmic events with accuracy, i am told.
well, good luck to humanity.
the strange thing is that all over the world ordinary people still only want love and peace and we are angry at what is being done to our children, to our homes, to our freedoms, yet it seems we are helpless in the hands of the powers that be. Or Are We? Can web communities unite and like minded people find each other and realize that at heart in our souls we are all the same? we all want the same things. peace love and validation. A better future for our children.